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That's not what studies have found;Hank said:The argument that gun control doesn't work is such a pathetic one. Australia is the perfect example that gun control is completely effective.
In 1996, Australia had 311 murders, of which 98 were with guns. In 2014, with the population up from about 18 million to 23 million, Australia had 238 murders, of which 35 were with guns.
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Many people who commit homicide have criminal records that would prohibit them from purchasing firearms, such as convictions for prior federal crimes. Federal law requires federally licensed gun sellers to conduct background checks but this doesn't apply to unlicensed sellers. Quite a few states have their own laws to cover this gap in legal requirements but not all.
When Missouri repealed their PTP law in 2007, studies have shown that it lead to an increased homicide rate as well as other issues like " a twofold increase in the percentage of guns that had unusually short intervals between the retail sale and the recovery by police, an indicator of firearm diversion or trafficking"
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Why not just steal one or get one from the black market? Why not just MAKE one?
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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They wouldn't, bother if they can help it, hence why requiring them to have a background check and allowing them no way to purchase a gun without one is a good idea.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/02/21/media-cherry-picks-missouri-gun-data-to-make-misleading-case-for-more-control.html
http://www.gunfacts.info/blog/missouri-misstep/
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In short, Gun Control Laws are a surefire way to stop crimes with a firearm...just like Drug Control Laws are a surefire way to stop Drug Crimes. I mean...if you make it illegal...then criminals can't use it anymore right? -_-
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Equally, thinking of it as risk free is equally incorrect. Someone buying an illegal gun has to commit a crime before they can commit their other criminal act, which opens the possibility of them being arrested in advance.
Lastly it assumes that criminals or other high-risk individuals will decide to get a gun and be driven to get it no matter what, when instead we can assume like most people raising barriers and making things inconvenient will deter some people even if with enoguh work they could find an alternative way to get a gun.
CYDdhart there are plenty of other studies backing up the research (http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-031914-122516 https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/doi/10.1093/epirev/mxv012/2754868/What-Do-We-Know-About-the-Association-Between http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302617 etc etc). That Gun Facts and Fox News don't like the study is hardly surprising to me. Is there anything about their claims you agree with or think worthwhile?
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In 1996, Australia had 311 murders, of which 98 were with guns. In 2014, with the population up from about 18 million to 23 million, Australia had 238 murders, of which 35 were with guns.
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There is a difference between Australia and America. His question was to name one US gun control law.
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There are many more people who would (and do) shoot people on an impulse, either already owning a gun or easily going out and getting one. These are the people who, if they had to wait a day or two for some criminal contact to obtain one for them (or to make one), may have lost that impulse once they finally have a gun.
Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
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(is that the end of the thread now?)
Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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@Vaulk It's obvious democracy doesn't work to begin with so I don't know what you're trying to prove. The fact is that mass shootings are not a thing in Australia - 115 people have died in mass shootings in the USA in the last 38 days. 2 people have died from 'mass' shootings in Australia in the last 15 years.
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Yes I agree. However, I was pointing out that your argument that it worked over there so therefore it will work here is not an argument at all either. This argument is about the US.
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Gun control: Implementing controlling measures and then enforcing them to bring about control over guns and to further control outcomes of the usage of firearms.
Gun confiscation: The complete and total removal of guns from the civilian population. No control is needed afterwards.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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Not only that but it makes basic misapprehensions about scientific data, namely that if a study has more data than another study it is automatically better. While all othert things being equal more data is generally better, expanding the area you look at can increase the issues, problems and assumptions that your data relies on. Centerwall for instance looks at several states (which means more data) but also means more differences between the data that he has to try and take into account with a variety of different laws, culture, ethnic and social splits, etc, etc across the expanded range he's looking at all of which could be contributing factors to gun crime. The simplistic assumption of your article shows it isn't to be taken seriously.
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https://drgo.us/public-health-gun-control-a-brief-history-part-i/
https://drgo.us/285/
https://drgo.us/public-health-gun-control-a-brief-history-part-iii/
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Gun surrender laws reduce the murder rate of women by over 3% [1]
Connecticut law barring seriously mentally ill people from having guns reduced their violent crime rate by 53%[2]
Universal background check law when implemented reduces homicides by around 25% and when repealed increase them by about the same percntage[3][4].
The assault rifle ban reduced deaths by 55% and caused a 16% fall in deaths along the Mexican border[5]
[1]https://medlineplus.gov/news/fullstory_168494.html
[2]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/myth-vs-fact-violence-mental-health-jeffrey-swanson
[3]http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/13/1589161/study-gun-homicides-increased-25-percent-after-missouri-background-check-laws-repeal/
[4]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26066959
[5]http://thinkprogress.org/gun-debate-guide/
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https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/problems-with-public-health-research-michael-siegel-craig-ross-and-charles-king-the-relationship-between-gun-ownership-and-firearm-homicide-rates-in-the-united-states-1981-2010-ajph/
The Missouri study already was discussed in this thread
ROFLMAO, Not even the Justice Department's study could find any positive impact of the assault-weapons ban on crime in the US;
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/aug/16/20040816-114754-1427r/
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".
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Also you yourself are using guilt by association. You have managed to provide exactly zero rebuttals to the evidence that has been provided, no logical or evidence based rebuttal - and instead are just trying to defame doctors. Okay, let's accept that medical doctors can produce false results - which is pretty much meaningless as anyone can produce false results, hence why you look at their evidence. So 1) What does that matter when I provided evidence from non medical doctors too 2) What does it matter when you have provided no evidence that the specific examples I have provided are wrong?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39056786
The 2010 peak was before the influx of refugees and the issue is at least to some extent that Sweden is really strict on sex-crime and that the way they report it boosts the figures, e.g. what is reported as "rape" is actually all sex crimes including things like paying for sex and they will list each act separately e.g. if a wife is sexually by her husband 50 times before she leaves him and goes to the police, that's 50 instances of rape. Very misleading to use these figures, even if it does seem like you're trying to support it
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